http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#81049f9f-747f-4e78-9401-d595f8aa2fe5 Hey-I just realized that when I watched this clip before it-stopped at the birthing position segment! I never saw the rest of it til today-the whole thing played-the footage of the Bal Anat is wonderful! This is Belly Dancing! Little Suhaila balancing the tray-when I was little Johanna and I did firepot balancing in Black Sea "Laz". Loved Aida's dancing! Glad I looked again. My mother was a drummer the whole nine yards. I can relate to this kind of show-ethnic diverse-belly dancing is a "folk dance"-we forget that today. Sat, 23 May 2009 15:01:35 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#81049f9f-747f-4e78-9401-d595f8aa2fe5 $item.owner.firstName 2009-05-23T15:01:35Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#a53c4119-e394-48fc-ba70-4459448b3189 Thanks for telling us that, Norma! I enjoyed talking to her and was going to ask if she was in the group. You answered that question. Hugs to you both in Detroit! Sat, 23 May 2009 14:38:22 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#a53c4119-e394-48fc-ba70-4459448b3189 $item.owner.firstName 2009-05-23T14:38:22Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#744c23ce-f7a7-40e2-806c-6738d8f3a77e By the way, the last dancer in that clip is Aida Al Adawi, currently teaching in the Metro Detroit area. Fri, 22 May 2009 11:47:08 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#744c23ce-f7a7-40e2-806c-6738d8f3a77e Norma 2009-05-22T11:47:08Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#731f2656-caa0-4334-a440-fb08cc9e4fa3 what a treat to see this. My first teacher, my sister Fatima, danced with Jamilla in the 1970's and then taught me. I was so impressed I have been totally in love with belly dance ever since. Thank-you! Thu, 21 May 2009 21:51:14 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#731f2656-caa0-4334-a440-fb08cc9e4fa3 Jamilla of Desert Veils 2009-05-21T21:51:14Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#d1d26390-af51-4dc3-9f78-f4e249e5fb4b Found the footage on Jamila very interesting! Thank you. I Remember when my mother was dancing and I started-and Jamila was on the West Coast, etc.-belly dance had so much more technique and complexities of movements. Now there is just too much harsh bumping and isolating-like entire act is one too long drum solo-and the footwork is lacking or non-existant. They tend to call this the "Modern Egyptian" style,but actually is somewhat misleading, as even the Egyptian movie stars in classic cinema had more traditional floor patterns, footwork. Depended on the situation in the script. (Remember that the scene where Naima Akef is dancing outside with two long braids in Tamra Henna, I think, this is really essentially what we were doing in Greektown, NYC. We were "folk dancers.") Also, today's dancers think that you did not see Zil playing in Egyptian movies it meant Arabic people don't play them. This is so wrong! Moviemakers didn't always use because you had to go back and "synch" the tracks. All of our movies in the old days-our tap dancers had to repeat their performance in a recording studio so the sound of their taps could be synched. Same with Zil. Sometimes they just didn't fool with it for that reason. So many in business now just a bunch of dummies-not all-but a lot! Stubborn and insulting to the great ladies who used to know history of dance. Thanks for sharing this about Salimpour. I've tried to impress upon people now that the complexities and knowledge of the music and dance origin has been completely snuffed out and re-written by too many "cliques." Time for a "revolution." A back to the "basics." It was also great to see the gal in the striped harem pants in this vintage footage. Stripes are so "Old World Oriental." God, I loved seeing that! Thu, 21 May 2009 21:02:04 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#d1d26390-af51-4dc3-9f78-f4e249e5fb4b $item.owner.firstName 2009-05-21T21:02:04Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#35f696cc-2ccf-45cc-8ebe-9d58c2f12b7c suhaila's dad was persian. she briefly mentions this in the film "american bellydancer". Mon, 18 May 2009 15:18:50 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#35f696cc-2ccf-45cc-8ebe-9d58c2f12b7c B 2009-05-18T15:18:50Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#2edf3321-688b-478a-ab5e-2161bc9069af Very interesting article from Morocco - but it still is puzzling to me that it should be so disgusting the idea that the dance represents the sexual act too. I mean - we are made of sex, conception and birth would not exist without it. I agree that the 'stripper' side of this dance that has developed is gross - but that is mainly because of the wests perverted idea of sex and the sex industry would not exist if there was not this guilt and embarassment about sexuality. Its all fascinating stuff. Mon, 18 May 2009 12:22:51 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#2edf3321-688b-478a-ab5e-2161bc9069af Indu 2009-05-18T12:22:51Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#59e1b2bd-e8b4-4493-a7e7-e3a1fdf9a330 i think the interview said he was a Persian musician. anyway, thanks for the article, i've read it (i think it is also on, or is linked to from, Shira's site ^_^) im trying to find the interview that talks about Suhalia teaching Margaret Cho, there was a lot in it, but i just can't find the bookmark. Fri, 15 May 2009 20:41:30 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#59e1b2bd-e8b4-4493-a7e7-e3a1fdf9a330 Fariha 2009-05-15T20:41:30Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#8563acac-49ba-4e9c-b1a4-48171e4b391a Was/is her husband Oriental? Sounds like it to me. ; ) If you want to know more about how bellydance technique relates to childbirth, read that famous article on Morocco's homepage (the dancer, not the country) , I think, it is www.casbah.org , something like that. Anyway, you can google her, she has a lot of interesting stuff in there. Fri, 15 May 2009 18:53:57 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#8563acac-49ba-4e9c-b1a4-48171e4b391a Canela, too hot for you 2009-05-15T18:53:57Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#a10c25a2-f71d-4622-a362-e5a0ca23fbcf thank you ^_^ i heard, it was an interview with Suhalia that i can't find anywhere (anyone seen it?) that when Jamila married her husband he forbid her to ever set foot in a night club again. that if she kept performing dance he would break her legs, so she started teaching as a way around it...... Thu, 14 May 2009 01:10:13 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#a10c25a2-f71d-4622-a362-e5a0ca23fbcf Fariha 2009-05-14T01:10:13Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#9baf8024-33f3-4a8f-8c81-8eb4210610ba Sorry, just watch the first one of those two - they're the same, only the second one is longer. If you are remotely squeamish i'd not recommend it. I still can't believe that someone flagged these video's as unsuitable. Wed, 13 May 2009 10:26:59 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#9baf8024-33f3-4a8f-8c81-8eb4210610ba Indu 2009-05-13T10:26:59Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#b88e902f-1660-499d-bb32-da9b8c165e0f Wow, really interesting stuff!!! I'd heard about the childbirth thing, but not that it copied the movements of the body, but had heard it was to prepare the body for childbirth. However the idea that the movements are copying those of the womans body in childbirth make alot of sense. Fascinating stuff.... I found this recently - women who are into the natural birth and talking about ecstatic birthing etc and that they find their bodies wanting to do spiraling movements to help move the energy of the contractions down the body and out... She talks about the spiraling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR-SroU-Y2Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZtYCHASqNM Wed, 13 May 2009 10:21:04 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#b88e902f-1660-499d-bb32-da9b8c165e0f Indu 2009-05-13T10:21:04Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#7866e16f-f978-49be-b090-279051c72180 Wow. Definite Goddess culture. I didn't know these were Jamila's roots. Fascinating. Tue, 12 May 2009 22:13:33 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#7866e16f-f978-49be-b090-279051c72180 Samira 2009-05-12T22:13:33Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#3e639cb5-783f-4f2e-9b88-25d5f69d520f Actually, I heard from Hadia that in those early days of bellydance in California everybody who did not take lessons with Jamila Salimpour was not considered a proper bellydancer. Typical, maybe (tribalism and all that) and maybe they had a point? Tue, 05 May 2009 03:38:27 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#3e639cb5-783f-4f2e-9b88-25d5f69d520f Canela, too hot for you 2009-05-05T03:38:27Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#d2b1e832-fe53-4805-b88e-3f1366d2dd0d Parts of this class almost look like a ritual. Tue, 05 May 2009 03:36:23 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#d2b1e832-fe53-4805-b88e-3f1366d2dd0d Canela, too hot for you 2009-05-05T03:36:23Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#c124cd8d-8102-4973-941a-deeccf279b2d That was great. It was historical. And you can see the early roots of the Goddess style and tribal. That look like such fun Mon, 04 May 2009 21:14:46 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#c124cd8d-8102-4973-941a-deeccf279b2d viviana 2009-05-04T21:14:46Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#7a263091-1afe-4a0e-9a2a-580fd3d95935 Yes, thank you, Tricia. Mon, 04 May 2009 17:05:22 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#7a263091-1afe-4a0e-9a2a-580fd3d95935 Canela, too hot for you 2009-05-04T17:05:22Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#f8e25f58-7b92-4ce2-92c1-856fa1f97ff7 I've seen this before on Tribe, don't remember where. What a treasured piece of our history! Mon, 04 May 2009 00:39:48 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#f8e25f58-7b92-4ce2-92c1-856fa1f97ff7 Xanthea 2009-05-04T00:39:48Z http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#fc7b6b1d-d95f-472c-b7c2-e625375ce1ed http://www.suhailainternational.com//jamila_video/jamila_video.html Sun, 03 May 2009 22:29:02 GMT http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/8b4ffde4-a7b4-48ee-9d2e-6521e55d32f2#fc7b6b1d-d95f-472c-b7c2-e625375ce1ed Tricia 2009-05-03T22:29:02Z